00:00:01: we aware of the recent television special,
00:00:03: that claimed to give an honest, candid, and revealing look
00:00:07: into the private life of one of the world's|most successful and controversial celebrities,
00:00:11: Michael Jackson
00:00:12: The revelations were explosive, the ratings were enormous,
00:00:16: but Michael has claimed that what, TV journalist,|Martin Bashir presented
00:00:21: was a twisted and edited construction of scandal and innuendo
00:00:25: Not a true representation of the interviews|that actually took place.
00:00:30: In the next two hours, we're gonna give you an opportunity|unprecedented in the history of television.
00:00:36: We're gonna show you footage that was never|intended to be broadcast.
00:00:48: Tonight, the private video from Michael's own cameras.
00:00:51: Cameras that shot|'The Michael Jackson Interview:|The Footage You Were Never Meant to See'
00:00:57: As much as I do not speak about my family, I will
00:01:02: right now.
00:01:04: For the first time, Michael's ex-wife speaks out in public.
00:01:07: My kids don't call me mom, because I don't want them to.
00:01:11: You'll find out what really happened during the astonishing|incidents with his children in Germany.
00:01:17: And I've seen people that flip their kids up in the air,|do somersaults, and catch them.
00:01:22: To be honest with you, I think, wait another four or five years
00:01:25: the kids will come in front of the camera and they will|defend their daddy.
00:01:29: You'll hear about Michael's childhood.
00:01:32: One of the things that I can see this man tried to do,
00:01:36: he tried to pin something on me where I was real brutal.
00:01:41: You'll find out how Michael really feels about his father.
00:01:44: He doesn't know this, but I walk in the room and his|presence would be there and I'd faint.
00:01:51: You'll hear about Michael's surgery that the other|special didn't mention.
00:01:56: The whole top of his caught fire, right in front of my eyes.
00:01:59: You'll hear the truth behind Michael's children and their disguises.
00:02:03: Michael is very proud of his children; I'm the one who's terrified.
00:02:08: You'll go behind the rumors of the Neverland Ranch.
00:02:11: I never did - I would slit my wrists before I would hurt a child.
00:02:14: And find out how those rumors have driven a family from their home.
00:02:18: Gavin call me, he was crying on the phone.
00:02:21: He went in gas station, the kid in gas station, they start kidding
00:02:24: "Oh you are the kid who doing this with Michael.|You slept with Michael."
00:02:27: They ruined this kid's life!
00:02:29: You'll hear from the people closest to Michael.
00:02:32: I've heard someone say on the television that
00:02:35: no-one should be allowed behind those gates at Neverland,|especially the children.
00:02:39: They don't even know what they're talking about.
00:02:42: Plus, a surprise revelation from the man behind|the Michael Jackson interviews.
00:02:47: There will be a lot of controversy about this.
00:02:49: Stupid tabloids. You're beyond this, you're a respected journalist.
00:02:54: All tonight, on 'The Michael Jackson Interview:|The Footage You Were Never Meant to See,'
00:03:04: With Mr. Bashir's full knowledge, Michael had his own behind|the scenes camera document the major interviews.
00:03:11: The quality of the audio and video may be a bit raw at times,
00:03:14: but it will enable you to see and hear the interviews as|they actually happened,
00:03:19: and will allow you, the viewing audience, to draw your own conclusions.
00:03:23: While Michael Jackson has provided this footage to us,
00:03:27: he has absolutely no control over the editorial content|of this program.
00:03:34: But who is Martin Bashir and how did he get an exclusive interview
00:03:38: with one of the most reclusive pop stars the world has ever known?
00:03:43: In 1995, this little known British journalist caused an uproar
00:03:47: when his sensational interview with Princess Diana
00:03:49: revealed details of her extra marital affair.
00:03:53: Since then, he has scored interviews with England's most|notorious newsmakers,
00:03:58: becoming somewhat of a celebrity himself.
00:04:02: His interview was, as he put it, "a request to show me the real man,
00:04:06: but show me everything, make nothing off limits."
00:04:09: Michael agreed, and the first interview was scheduled for|the summer of 2002.
00:04:13: In these photos of one of Bashir's interviews with Jackson,
00:04:16: you can see the camera that captured the footage you were|never meant to see.
00:04:21: It's mounted right there, on the light stand.
00:04:24: This is the view it was capturing at the last interview,
00:04:28: and this is the shot from the very first interview at Neverland.
00:04:33: The man adjusting the lens
00:04:35: …And now this is on.
00:04:37: - Okay, see, can we have silence in the house?|- Yeah
00:04:40: Is Jackson's own documentary cameraman.
00:04:43: Oh, I just wanted to clarify that it was not a 'secret video.'
00:04:50: Right now they are saying that we were secretly video|taping it, but that's not the truth.
00:04:55: Mr. Bashir saw me hooking up the camera,
00:04:59: and everybody saw the camera up there and we were just rolling it.
00:05:04: We usually do documentary of every thing that Mr. Jackson does.
00:05:15: The bigger the star, the bigger the target.
00:05:18: The more popular I became, the more rumors that were created
00:05:22: None of which were true.
00:05:24: I mean the moment I started breaking the all time records of|the biggest selling albums of all time,
00:05:30: they calling me weird overnight, strange, whacko.
00:05:35: They said that I'm a girl, homosexual,
00:05:41: "He wants to buy the elephant man bones,"
00:05:43: "He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber." None of that stuff is true,
00:05:46: all completely made up. It's all lies.
00:05:52: I sleep in a bed. I mean, people would be so surprised|how normal or simple
00:05:58: Most people would have a hard time thinking|Michael Jackson's life is normal or simple.
00:06:05: Maybe it's that ranch, north of Santa Barbara, California;|The 3,000 acres he calls Neverland.
00:06:12: Neverland is an extraordinary,
00:06:29: What inspired me, it was so easy because it was me being myself
00:06:34: creating things that I love, and what I love,|kids happen to love,
00:06:39: or what the child that lives inside the adult happens to love.
00:06:44: It is so easy because I'm putting behind the gates everything I|never got to do when I was a kid.
00:07:06: - Somewhat?|- What do you regret?
00:07:11: When I was really little, around 11 or 12,|I was under contract with Motown
00:07:20: and I would have to go to the recording studio.|I had to go and make these albums,
00:07:26: because the summer tour was right around the corner.
00:07:29: Right across the street from the recording studio was a ball park,
00:07:34: and I could hear the kids, the roar of the crowd,|them playing and catching ball,
00:07:40: having fun, playing tennis. Some of those times I|so passionately wanted to just go over there,
00:07:47: just play a little bit, and not go to the recording studio and sing;
00:07:52: just have some fun with the kids, and I couldn't.
00:08:05: People say, "Why is he always with children?!"|Well, I was raised in a world with adults.
00:08:10: The kids were playing and in bed at sleep at night.|I was up doing clubs,
00:08:15: I was doing club dates, three in the morning.|The strip tease would come up after us.
00:08:22: We were performing.
00:08:24: We didn't have friends;
00:08:27: My brothers were my friends. We worked, we worked, we worked.
00:08:31: There was no Christmas, there were no birthdays; we were very strict|Jehovah's Witnesses.
00:08:36: So, I'm compensating. Major make me sure that|I'm compensated for the lost.
00:08:41: So you come behind my gates, and you'll see|an amusement park, you'll see animals,
00:08:45: you'll see everything I never got to do.
00:08:47: There's candy everywhere.
00:08:50: It's fun.
00:08:51: While Bashir and his crew were here at Neverland, they got|to witness what is almost the weekly experience.
00:08:58: Busloads of children, some from the inner city,|some orphans, some terminally ill,
00:09:03: but all of them escaping their realities to|spend the day at Michael Jackson's creation.
00:09:21: Who's gonna try to help me?
00:09:36: You want to come over here and see the elephants?
00:09:40: I feel totally at home with them. I can talk to them one on one,|because they don't judge you.
00:09:46: They're not looking for anything from you, they just|want to have some fun,
00:09:49: and that's the same with myself. I can connect to that,|I can understand that.
00:09:55: The fact that I missed that on so much, as I was a child
00:10:00: as soon as they come|in the room for me, the whole room lights up.
00:10:03: I like the sound they make.
00:10:14: They're really funny. Oh God, they're really funny.
00:10:19: Yeah, one of the little boys said to me, he saw all the rides,|and all the amusements and he said,
00:10:26: "Michael Jackson, you own all of this?" I go, "Yeah."
00:10:33: He said, "You paid for all of this?" I went, "Yeah, I did."
00:10:36: "And you still have money left over?"|That's exactly what he said to me.
00:10:41: I said, "Yeah." He said, "I can't believe it! I can't believe it!"
00:10:48: That's exactly what he said
00:10:50: He was amazed that I still had money afterwards.
00:10:57: We're the Make-A-Wish staff members, and we're escorting all|the Make-A-Wish families who came to meet Michael.
00:11:03: It's just a great thing to be a part of it and|to see how happy they are.
00:11:15: Everything's free, theatre, amusement parks, whatever they want|to do, we can do it.
00:11:23: Millions a year, but you know, I get it all back when|I see them smile.
00:11:30: Peter Pan
00:11:42: Peter Pan represents, to me, represents something that's|very special to my heart.
00:11:50: He represents youth, childhood, never growing up, magic, flying,
00:11:57: everything that I think that children and wonderment and magic,
00:12:06: what it's all about.
00:12:08: To me I just have never ever grown out of loving that or thinking|that it's very special.
00:12:14: No, I am Peter Pan.
00:12:18: I'm Peter Pan, in my heart.
00:12:31: Yes, that's absolutly true.
00:12:36: I've never been betrayed or deceived by children.
00:12:40: Adults have let me down; adults have let the world down.
00:12:43: What you're seeing all took place on the day that Martin Bashir|and his crew were filming at Neverland.
00:12:49: You actually see him in several of the shots being taken by|Jackson's camera crew.
00:12:54: This was supposed to be a documentary to tell the truth, everything,
00:12:59: I mean who would bring somebody to his life, and open up all the|way, and wanted to lie about it?
00:13:06: If want to lie about it, don't even do it.
00:13:09: He didn't have to do this documentary; nobody forced him|to do this documentary.
00:13:14: After a full day spent with children from the Make-A-Wish|foundation at Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch,
00:13:19: what was Mr. Bashir's comment?
00:13:22: We'll quote directly from his|appearance on ABC's Primetime Thursday.
00:13:53: As we said, that was Bashir's comment heard on TV|by millions of people,
00:13:57: but what did Bashir say to Michael Jackson about this|day at Neverland?
00:14:01: Let's take a look at the footage that was captured by Michael's|camera documenting the interviews.
00:14:18: You know what? He does it all the time and a lot of people see it.
00:14:23: A lot of people see it
00:14:37: The woman you see has been Michael's makeup artist for over 20 years,
00:14:42: after listening to the glowing praise Bashir had for Michael in this|interview,
00:14:46: she had a very hard believing he could call Neverland|a "dangerous place for children."
00:14:52: It's so hard for me to imagine that Michael
00:14:58: opened up the gates not only to Neverland but|to his heart, to Bashir.
00:15:09: I really thought that Bashir got it.
00:15:13: - This is getting worse.|- …And you never see anyone talk about it.
00:15:35: And if they do, they don't
00:15:37: don't make it in papers, they don't make it on the interviews,|all is negative stuffs
00:15:42: Stupid rumors|- They cut questions out, they just make it
00:15:47: That's why he doesn't do any interviews anymore.
00:15:50: They twist everything. From the moment I met him, I remember
00:15:54: How can people be so cruel? I remember reading an article and they
00:16:03: Now, what could make an award winning journalist have such|a different opinion
00:16:07: between what he would say on the air,
00:16:09: and what he would say in the interview footage,|not included in his special?
00:16:13: It appears that after Mr. Bashir had called cut for his|own camera crew,
00:16:17: he may well have forgotten that Michael's camera was still|recording his every word.
00:16:22: A possibility supported by a ripped request for both him|and the producers of his special
00:16:28: to make Michael's footage available for their review.
00:16:32: The different opinion expressed by Mr. Bashir regarding the safety|of the underprivileged children
00:16:37: who visit Neverland, is only one of several contradictory|moments captured on tape
00:16:43: All of which you will see and hear on this program.
00:16:48: When we come back, an exclusive interview with Michael's ex-wife.
00:16:52: As much as I do not speak about my family, I will, right now.
00:16:59: Michael makes a long overdue confession.
00:17:02: - You had sex with Debbie?|-Yes.
00:17:05: I know that's difficult for you to say, because you're embarrassed,
00:17:08: but you actually had sex with her, you conceived with|- Yes. yes
00:17:12: And Debbie tells us about the results.
00:17:15: And then his son was born, and the look on his face
00:17:23: Plus, a very surprising revelation from Michael's private cameras.
00:17:28: All when we return to
00:18:21: In addition to the never before seen footage from Martin Bashir's|interviews,
00:18:26: we have also been allowed unprecedented interviews to some|of the people closest to Michael Jackson.
00:18:31: People who have turned down very lucrative offers,
00:18:34: to tell the inside story of life behind the Neverland gates.
00:18:38: They break their silence for the first time. And not for money.
00:18:42: No-one interviewed for this show received any payment|to tell their story.
00:18:47: Their reason for appearing here is to tell the truth as they see it.
00:18:52: The person who has most avoided the glare of the spotlight
00:18:56: was the person who was perhaps the closest to Michael.
00:19:00: The woman who was his wife, and the mother of his first two children|Debbie Rowe.
00:19:06: What's happened in the past is that things have been taken out of|context, twisted around.
00:19:12: If I can help straighten it out as much as I do not speak|about my family, I will
00:19:19: right now.
00:19:22: When I was talking to Prince one day, he said to me that|he didn't have a mother.
00:19:27: He said he didn't have a mother?
00:19:29: Yeah, I said, "Prince, where's your mummy?" He said,|"I haven't got a mumma."
00:19:35: - That's right.|- Did you tell him to say that?
00:19:38: - No.|-What do you think he means when he says, "I haven't got a mother?
00:19:42: Like he said, he doesn't have a mother.
00:19:45: My kids don't call me mom because I don't want them to.
00:19:50: They're not - They're Michael's children.
00:19:52: It's not that they're not my children, but I had them because|I wanted him to be a father.
00:20:00: I believe that there are people who should be parents|and he's one of them.
00:20:08: He's such a fabulous man, and such a good friend,
00:20:12: he's always been there for me, always, from the day I met him.
00:20:19: I could do something for him and this is what I wanted to do.
00:20:24: Most people think that Michael and Debbie's relationship was|very short term
00:20:28: Actually, they met over 22 years ago.
00:20:32: Was it intense then? No, no, it was over time.
00:20:37: I think it was, 18 years, 17, 18 years,
00:20:44: that I knew him, when I had Prince.
00:20:51: In that time, they've gone on some very unusual outings
00:20:54: Often with Michael in disguise.
00:20:58: Yeah, he'd call, "What're you doing?" "Nothing, what're you doing?"
00:21:01: "Wanna go to the video?" "Yeah." We'd sneak out without security."
00:21:05: We got caught. Last time, it was like being chased by people.
00:21:13: We'd have to call security, bail us out, but yeah,
00:21:18: we'd go out and do stuff, sneaking into premieres and things.
00:21:25: Yeah, we had a good time. He's always a lot of fun.
00:21:28: When did Michael start talking about wanting to have kids,|when he was still with Lisa-Marie?
00:21:34: No, they had broken up.
00:21:38: I was trying to consult him because he was really upset.
00:21:42: He was upset because he really wanted to be a dad.
00:21:45: I said, "So be a dad." He looked at me, puzzled.
00:21:50: "Let me do this, I want to do this.
00:21:54: You've been so good to me, you're such a great friend, please| let me do this."
00:21:59: I said, "You need to be a dad. I want to do this."
00:22:08: I "nagged" him into it, if you will.
00:22:13: She's a wonderful person.
00:22:14: She knew that Michael Jackson loves children, and she knew|Michael Jackson wanted children.
00:22:20: That's why. She said, "You need to be a daddy."
00:22:26: She said you needed to be a daddy, more than she needed|to be a mother?
00:22:31: Yes, and she wanted to do that for me as a present.
00:22:35: And if you're talking about romance, maybe then?
00:22:40: If you want to have a marker,
00:22:45: if that makes you and the rest of America feel that they|need a marker,
00:22:49: they can probably use that.
00:22:51: Once Debbie's pregnancy became common knowledge,|the tabloid world had one burning question:
00:22:57: Did they, or didn't they?
00:23:00: The first two, Prince and Paris, were from Debbie,|which was natural conception.
00:23:06: - You had sex with Debbie?|- Yes
00:23:08: I know that's difficult for you to say, because you're so embarrassed,
00:23:12: but you actually had sex with her, you conceived with her? |- yes, yes.
00:23:16: Once Debbie learned she was pregnant, Michael|warned her of what was to come.
00:23:21: He said, "You don't know what they can do."
00:23:24: I said, "Oh Michael, come on. We're having a baby, normal|people have babies.
00:23:32: How can that be weird? We're having a kid.
00:23:35: If anything, that's beautiful, it's wonderful, it's great."|Boy was I wrong.
00:23:42: I found out at one point a picture of me pregnant was worth half|a million dollars.
00:23:48: To who, and why?
00:23:52: Have they never ever seen someone pregnant before?
00:23:55: Am I supposed to look different pregnant because it's Michael's baby,|than someone else?
00:24:01: As you've heard, the decision to have Michael's child was|easy for Debbie;
00:24:06: the actual birth was another matter.
00:24:09: We were very excited, Michael was definitely more excited than I was.
00:24:13: He was so excited when we had a contraction.
00:24:18: He was there. We had videos, we had music, you know.
00:24:23: It was long, it was 23 hours.
00:24:30: I had a very colorful language.
00:24:33: Every time I went to say something, he'd cut me off with,|"Shoot!" or "Fudge!"
00:24:39: - Oh, he doesn't like cursing?|- He didn't think it was necessary when other words would do.
00:24:48: was there the whole time, held my hand, stroked my head.
00:24:55: I think I puked once, and I was so embarrassed and he was like,
00:24:59: "Stop, you're fine, this is beautiful, this is wonderful."
00:25:03: I said, "I'm gonna die!" "No, you're not gonna die! This is great!"
00:25:08: "Ok, we're crowning." Michael's he's right there.
00:25:11: "Oh my God, this is so beautiful."
00:25:13: Yeah, having come from a medical background, there is no way blood|and stuff is, there's no way!
00:25:19: It can't be - Sorry, I don't come from that background.
00:25:23: I'm like, "Michael, it can't be that beautiful!" Oh, he was welling up.
00:25:28: Then his son was born, and the look on his face
00:25:41: Talk amongst yourselves.
00:25:51: I've never seen him that happy
00:25:55: and that's what made it wonderful for me, was,
00:26:04: to see the look on his face.
00:26:07: The birth of Prince Michael was soon followed by a sister, Paris.
00:26:11: Yeah, we were kind of told we should wait.
00:26:14: I guess there's a 'suggested waiting time.'
00:26:17: I was flying to Paris, which was how she got her name and that's|where she was conceived.
00:26:23: Do you not think, though, that your children would have benefit|from contact with their mother?
00:26:28: No, but she doesn't... It's private information.
00:26:33: She doesn't - She can't handle that.
00:26:38: She can't handle her own children?
00:26:40: Yeah, I can't deal with that, because I don't want to make|anybody upset.
00:26:45: While Michael may seem reluctant to discuss Debbie's absence|from their children,
00:26:50: Debbie had no reluctance whatsoever.
00:26:53: People don't understand that, and
00:26:57: they want a traditional, they think that something has to|be traditional.
00:27:03: They have this notion of Beaver Cleaver.
00:27:07: That wasn't the reality in the 50s and that's not reality in|the 21st century.
00:27:15: We have a non-traditional family.
00:27:18: If that makes people uncomfortable, then it's a shame that|they're not more open.
00:27:26: We are a family unit. Michael and I will always be|connected with the kids.
00:27:32: I will always be there for him; I will always be there for|the children.
00:27:36: People make remarks, "Oh, I can't believe she left her children."
00:27:40: 'Left them'? I 'left' my children? I did not leave my children.
00:27:45: My children are with their father, where they're supposed to be.
00:27:52: She'd prefer them to be with me than with her.
00:27:55: So, this mother carries both children for 9 months in her body
00:28:02: and she gives birth to them and she prefers that they have|nothing to do with her?
00:28:10: We split up because I It got to a point where I couldn't deal with it.
00:28:16: I couldn't deal with the fact I couldn't go to the grocery store.
00:28:18: For two reasons, one, I'd get followed, two, I'd have to look at|crap on the newsstand
00:28:26: that are right at the register, it should go out, that wasn't true.
00:28:31: I couldn't - I wasn't used to it, I like doing things for myself.
00:28:40: Michael was more than generous, "We don't have to go to the|grocery store."
00:28:43: "But, I want to, I really want to.
00:28:48: I want to go back to what I can go back to, that's where I'm used|to, that's where I'm comfortable."
00:28:55: Doing this is very uncomfortable for me, talking about these|things is extremely uncomfortable for me.
00:29:04: It's hard when you're an entertainer; it's hard to have a marriage.
00:29:10: I mean, one day I'll be married again, but it's too soon.
00:29:13: I already went through two tough divorces.
00:29:15: So, I'm married to my fans, I'm married to God,
00:29:20: I'm married to my children, I'm married to life.
00:29:22: Coming up, the notorious incident that had the whole world talking.
00:29:29: This happened for like two seconds, but when it gets|on the news, they slow it down.
00:29:35: Michael's mother reveals what it was like to grow up in the Jackson 5.
00:29:41: Joseph didn't beat them or anything like that; we just disciplined|them out of love.
00:29:45: And we find out why Bubbles had to go.
00:29:48: 'Cause a chimp, they get to an age like teenage kids do where they|want to challenge their parents.
00:29:55: All when we return to:
00:30:16: When Martin Bashir arrived to film Michael and his children,
00:30:19: Bashir was immediately confronted with one of the major worries|of celebrity parents;
00:30:23: the horrible danger of kidnapping.
00:30:25: Consequentially, as a security measure, public appearances|is by Michael's children
00:30:29: require that their faces be hidden by masks or veils.
00:30:34: If you don't let anyone see the children
00:30:36: I don't want a little burnt baby.
00:30:38: Somebody took Burke's baby, Charleston Burke's baby into the|forest and burned them to death.
00:30:44: I don't want that to happen to my children.
00:30:48: Bashir's repeated question fails to establish one important fact;|whose idea it was to wear the them
00:30:56: I obviously have some influence, as their faces are still covered.
00:31:02: That was my request, not his.
00:31:05: Michael's very proud of his children, I'm the one who's terrified,
00:31:11: I'm the one who's seen the notes, that someone's gonna|take his children.
00:31:21: They're not, they're not, whatever can be done, they're not.
00:31:30: There's nothing more terrifying than looking at a piece of paper|that says,
00:31:35: "I'm taking them." I said, "You know what?
00:31:40: I wore a scarf, it was no big deal. Pretend it's Halloween."
00:31:46: I don't want people seeing them; the press can be very mean.
00:31:50: I don't want them to grow up psychologically crazy because of|the evil things they can say to them
00:31:56: I want them to be normal. That makes sense, doesn't it?|- Yes, it does.
00:32:03: And I'm sure at some point, he will say, you know, to the children,
00:32:10: "Do you want to wear the scarf?"
00:32:14: I will have immediate heart failure, but you know,
00:32:19: he's not gonna make his children do something they don't want to do.
00:32:22: He's not that kind of parent, not at all.
00:32:27: I truly don't see
00:32:32: why everybody is focuses on that.
00:32:36: Is it a fashion statement? Are the scarves not matching?|We'll work on it.
00:32:44: While some people may have a hard time with the|intense security measures
00:32:48: Michael and his family have to follow, there was one particular|occurrence in Germany
00:32:53: that had many people questioning his children's safety.
00:33:28: - No, because|- Was there no one in the room who would say, "Michael, don't do it."
00:33:31: My brother and sister were up there.|- And they didn't say no?
00:33:34: No, 'cause I was holding the baby strong, hard, tight
00:33:38: - Now, that's exactly what I'm saying, though.|- I know better
00:33:42: And I've seen people that flip their kids up in the air,|do somersaults, and catch them.
00:33:48: I get caught in the moment, I was holding on tight.|Just, you know, give a wave
00:33:54: Listen, it happened for like two seconds,|but when it gets on the news,
00:33:58: they slow it down, they don't show the crowd.
00:34:01: They make it seem like I'm just a centric idiot dangling his|baby over a balcony like a nut.
00:34:08: I think that the media took it and ran like they do everything else.
00:34:14: Like, "OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD!" He's not dropping a baby, please!
00:34:18: They blew it up into something it's not.
00:34:22: - That was so misunderstood.|- Explain it, what don't we know about it,
00:34:27: what should we know about him we don't know.
00:34:29: - Alright, I'll tell you from the very beginning.|- Good.
00:34:33: He had such a grip on that child and if you look at it again,
00:34:38: he's got that child so tightly held under the armpit.
00:34:45: We're showing it now. Yeah, he is, got him pretty tight under his arm.
00:34:51: Coverage was up there, security was up there, other people.
00:34:54: I took my other children up there and did the same thing
00:35:03: Like I said before, he is very proud of his children.
00:35:07: To listen to his fans, all night long, they're so adoring|and so loving and loyal.
00:35:16: They'll be there all night and they wanted to see the little ones,|and he showed them the little ones
00:35:22: Nothing inappropriate! It may not have been the best thing|he's ever done in his life,
00:35:29: but certainly I think it was made too big a deal of.
00:35:35: - Even now you're happy that You dangled him over it. |- Yeah
00:35:38: Not happy that I dangled him over the balcony, but I let the kids|wave to them.
00:35:44: In spite of his admission that he was not happy about the incident,
00:35:47: it still did not seem as troubling to Michael as it did to people|around the world.
00:35:51: A point Martin Bashir made both in his TV special
00:35:55: and in his comments on Primetime Thursday after the show aired.
00:36:07: What he said about Michael's parenting skills in the footage that| was not aired,
00:36:12: appears to paint an extremely different picture.
00:36:15: We must stress, what you are about to see and hear happened|during Bashir's final interview
00:36:21: with Michael, long after the incident with the baby on the|Berlin hotel balcony.
00:36:41: I love them.
00:36:52: Thank you so much.
00:36:55: And every body who comes into contact with you knows that.
00:36:58: I'm crazy about them, I would die for them
00:37:00: I'm crazy about them, and I tell them. I look into their|eyes every day,
00:37:05: I make sure I do that, I say, "Look at me, I love you very much."
00:37:10: What they actually say to you is that they love you, and you say,
00:37:13: "I love you more." That's what you say, every single time
00:37:16: That's your phrase and I've heard it once, I've heard it|a million times.
00:37:22: Yeah, and um, they say such sweet things sometime.
00:37:27: I don't tell them to say it. They say it all the time.
00:37:30: Like, Prince looks up to me and say, "Daddy, thank you for giving|me a brother."
00:37:34: All the time! You know, Paris will say that too,|"Thank you for giving us a brother."
00:37:40: You know, and they - I would like to have more children.
00:37:45: You know, if he called me tonight and said, "Let's have five more,"
00:37:50: in a heartbeat.|-You would do it again, if he asked you?|-in a heartbeat.
00:37:54: Now, what could have persuaded one of the world's most reclusive|superstars to grant an interview
00:38:01: and a camera crew entrance into his life?
00:38:03: Now according to Jackson, it was to answer many of the|important questions,
00:38:08: the tabloids and fans have been speculating about for years.
00:38:12: As you've seen, not all of those important answers made it on the air.
00:38:17: As for the not-so-earthshaking ones?
00:38:21: They were edited out, too. Like, the whereabouts of Jackson's|former constant companion.
00:38:29: - Where is Bubbles now?|- Bubbles is
00:38:33: He's with a caretaker with 40 to 50 other chimps,
00:38:37: because chimps, they get to an age, like teenage kids do, where|they want to challenge their parents.
00:38:44: Like, if your father tell you to do something, you go,|"Why? Why do I have to do it, Dad?"
00:38:49: " Chimps are very much like that, too; they can become|dangerous in a way.
00:38:55: If they get angry with you and decide to take you on, it's no match,
00:39:00: I mean, they're very, very strong. They can take your|finger off,they're very powerful.
00:39:06: But how Bubbles was living at Neverland,
00:39:08: Bubbles, the other animals, and Michael were virtually inseparable.
00:39:14: Many people made fun of me with my animals.
00:39:17: If I come home from a hard day at the studio,and I come home|to my deer or my chimps,
00:39:23: and I can hug them and they don't ask you anything,|they don't complain.
00:39:27: They just want a hug and some love, and to get on with it.
00:39:33: You know, "Where's the pizza? Whip up some ice cream."|'Cause the chimps, they love snacks.
00:39:38: They run around, and they help me clean the room, they help me|fix up things. They're very
00:39:45: Their DNA is literally identical to ours, if you look|in the microscope.
00:39:52: They're amazing.|- Chimps would help you clean the house?
00:39:55: Yeah, yeah. They helped me clean up my room, they helped me dust,
00:39:59: they cleaned windows, they flushed the toilet after they|used the bathroom
00:40:04: You let the chimps use your own bathroom?|- Sure, yeah, of course.
00:40:08: Bubbles would go himself.
00:40:11: He would sit at the table, pick up his spoon and his fork,|and he eats.
00:40:15: He was very polite. They're very intelligent.
00:40:19: While in Berlin, with Jackson,
00:40:21: Martin Bashir was invited to accompany Michael and his two children,|on a trip to the zoo.
00:40:29: But because someone had evidently tipped off the press,
00:40:32: the paparazzi were out in force, causing chaos,
00:40:35: and a potentially dangerous situation for the Jackson family.
00:40:40: Do you know it took us three and a half hours to get in and out
00:40:44: and we sat four minutes in front of the gorillas;|it was chaos, Michael.
00:40:48: Yeah, it was chaos. You filmed it, right?|-Yeah. I was in the middle of it; our cameraman fell over.
00:40:54: At one point, Prince got hurt by someone's umbrella.|-Yeah, yeah. He did.
00:41:01: Do you really think it was worth the pain of three and a|half hours for
00:41:04: four minutes in front of the gorillas?
00:41:06: Well, I'm not a foreseer of events; I'm not a super seer.
00:41:12: It probably kind of looked
00:41:14: I didn't know that was gonna happen like that.
00:41:16: As you've seen and heard from Michael's behind the scenes camera|of Bashir's interview,
00:41:20: Bashir seems to express a genuine concern of the welfare of|Michael's children
00:41:26: and raises the question as to Michael's apparent|lapse of parental judgment.
00:41:39: but what Bashir doesn't include is Michael's explanation
00:41:43: that Michael was informed that the zoo would be closed|during his visit.
00:41:47: I go to the zoo all the time and I go usually when they close it down.
00:41:51: They told us that this would be closed down, and|they didn't, they left the gates open
00:41:56: when fans and people started pouring in.
00:41:59: What happened was - What the owner said, 'cause I was there what| he actually said that his view was
00:42:04: at the end of the normal opening hours, he would have closed the zoo,
00:42:09: and would have just opened it for you and your family,|but you decided not to go then,
00:42:14: you wanted to go in the day rather than|-That's not true.
00:42:17: Is that not true?|- I wouldn't want to go in the day, especially
00:42:21: since I have a problem with the sun.
00:42:24: Well, it was winter in Germany, so it wasn't so|-Night time would have been much cooler.
00:42:28: Yeah. Well, wouldn't it have been much better to have gone at night?|-Yeah.
00:42:32: So, why didn't you?|- I never knew there was the proposal
00:42:36: I thought we had a slot and that was it.
00:42:38: This was just a misunderstanding from the zoo park and|Michael's people
00:42:44: they thought the zoo was going to be closed, but it wasn't.
00:42:48: That whole thing wasn't a big deal,I mean he goes through that|all the time.
00:42:56: Coming up, Michael's video cameras capture a very revealing moment.
00:43:00: They're so quick to call you strange and weird, but it's|like you're forced to be different
00:43:06: Michael's father reacts to Bashir's special.
00:43:09: Well, one of the things I see this man tried to do
00:43:13: he tried to pin something on me where I was real brutal.
00:43:18: What caused the surgery the other special didn't tell you about?
00:43:21: He was so badly burnt on the top on his
00:43:25: The whole top of his head caught fire, right in front of my eyes.
00:43:29: All when we return to
00:44:08: In the past hour, you've seen a British journalist ask some|tough questions.
00:44:14: What hurts you mostly?|-The lies, the lies, they're complete lies.
00:44:20: And some tougher questions.
00:44:23: You had sex with Debbie?|- Yes
00:44:25: - I know that's difficult for you to say, because you're embarrassed|-Yes, but we're not on camera.
00:44:29: You're about to hear Michael Jackson's family rally around him,|voicing their supports
00:44:34: They can go and talk to these children all they want; they're|not going to find anything.
00:44:37: What they need to do is leave him alone.
00:44:40: And voicing their disagreements.
00:44:42: I hear Michael saying that he was "lonely", but back in those days
00:44:47: Michael had his brothers - He had all his brothers to play with.
00:44:50: You've seen Michael's ex-wife come forward for the first time,|with expression of emotion.
00:44:56: I've never seen him that happy and that's what made it|wonderful for me.
00:45:05: And expressions of strength.
00:45:08: I did not leave my children. My children are with their father,|where they're supposed to be.
00:45:12: But most of all, you've seen Michael Jackson's own private cameras|catch the good
00:45:18: I think God's out there and is giving us children
00:45:22: The bad
00:45:23: "If you dangle Blanket over a balcony, you are going to be|severely criticized."
00:45:29: The strange
00:45:30: You let the chimps use your own bathroom?|- Sure, yeah, of course. Bubbles would go himself.
00:45:35: And the strangely human
00:45:37: No, I am Peter Pan.|-No, you're Michael Jackson.|-I'm Peter Pan, in my heart.
00:45:49: But what you've seen so far is only the beginning of
00:46:12: In addition to revisiting the interviews with Michael Jackson that|were contained in the ABC special,
00:46:18: we've also asked members of the Jackson family to comment on the|information that the special chose to include.
00:46:24: While the Jacksons are a very supportive family, not all of|what they have to say
00:46:28: is in complete agreement with Michael and many of the comments
00:46:32: you'll hear have never been revealed publicly until now.
00:46:37: We tried to get a bubble out of this, the way of being united together
00:46:42: we don't like some of the things that are being said out there,
00:46:47: but when you're number one out there all over the world, you get|those kind of pot shots
00:46:51: out there at all times.
00:46:53: You've been so successful and you've amassed so much wealth, you|never need to work again.
00:47:01: Yet, you don't seem to enjoy it; it seems that you're|restricted somehow.
00:47:09: I enjoy it through my children, I enjoy it|- But I'm talking about you, you just don't seem to enjoy it.
00:47:16: Enjoy what?|- Enjoy your success, enjoy your wealth.
00:47:21: It's hard to - I can enjoy it behind my gates,but I can't go out|and enjoy it,
00:47:26: because it becomes work all over again.
00:47:28: Working has been Michael's life since he was five-years-old.
00:47:36: As we've already seen, missing out on his childhood continues to|affect him to this very day.
00:47:48: You often seem very lonely, is that true?|- I used to be very lonely, painfully lonely.
00:47:56: You have no idea. I used to walk the streets,
00:48:03: looking for people to talk to.
00:48:07: I hear Michael saying that he was "lonely", but back in those days,
00:48:11: Michael had his brothers - He had all his brothers to play with.
00:48:14: Jermaine: He had all of us.
00:48:16: And those kids that he'd throw all the candy around, he'd buy so|much candy and kids would be in a circle,
00:48:22: standing around in a circle.
00:48:24: They all be eating candy off the allowance I had given him,
00:48:28: but one thing he enjoyed was seeing those kids eating that candy|He'd be laughing.
00:48:32: you surrounded by your family, by musicians, by people wanting to|be your friend?
00:48:38: You were an international superstar. How can you say you have|no friends?
00:48:42: 'Cause those people spoke to me on a language, on another level|that was musical,
00:48:47: was entertainment, but to get away from that, to separate one's|self from that
00:48:53: and to try to discover the fun things about life.
00:48:57: When do you feel lonely?|-When do I feel lonely?
00:49:07: I mean, I can be, Usually in hotels, and there's thousands of fans|chanting there on the street,
00:49:16: it wasn't super bad. I mean, they're chanting that they love|you and everything,
00:49:20: you can't get out, you feel trapped inside, and you just cry, you|feel lonely, you know?
00:49:27: There's all that love out there, but still, you really do feel|trapped and alone and that you can't get out.
00:49:34: If you go to a bookstore, if you go out, if you go to a club|, which I don't like clubs.
00:49:40: You know, every book you buy, they wonder,
00:49:43: "Why are you buying this?"|"Why is Michael Jackson buying this?"
00:49:45: "Why are you reading this?" Or you go to the club, as soon as you|go in there, every song is my song
00:49:51: as if I want to hear my own music.
00:49:54: Everybody starts chanting for me to dance, so it becomes a show all|over again,
00:49:59: so you can't go anywhere. Wherever you go, you know…
00:50:04: That's not much of a life, is it?|-I know, and it's difficult,
00:50:08: and I don't want to complain like I'm complaining, because it comes|with the territory,
00:50:12: but I don't think people understand the other side that comes with it
00:50:17: so quick to call you strange and weird, but it's like like you're|forced to be different,
00:50:22: because it's not normal in life.
00:50:25: I can do the normal things; go to the store to buy a piece of bread
00:50:29: a piece of candy or something - He can't do that,
00:50:31: so that would cause you to become a reclusive, to sort|of be withdrawn.
00:50:36: Do you not wish that you could sometimes go to the local store
00:50:39: and buy yourself some food and come back later.
00:50:43: Of course! I want to go to the market, like one of those markets
00:50:46: and take one of those carts and throw some food in there,|and go down the aisle.
00:50:51: I would love do that|-Can you do that?
00:50:54: No, of course not. I tried, and
00:51:01: every The whole place stops.
00:51:04: Everybody's chanting and getting your autograph, and it's hard,|it doesn't work.
00:51:10: That's why I love putting on disguises.
00:51:13: One of the disguises Michael would wear in public was from his|music video, Ghosts,
00:51:18: a makeup process that would take several hours
00:51:21: and would turn him completely into an unrecognizable,|very large, white man.
00:51:27: I'd sit on a bench in DisneyLand, a fantasy.
00:51:30: I would sit there and I remember, I loved it, I learned so much,|watching people
00:51:35: studying people's character. That's what I like
00:51:38: I like going inside, and it's the same thing with a performance.
00:51:42: You can tell right away with an artist, you can read it on her face,
00:51:47: when she's dancing, she's counting, "One, and two, and three, and|four, and five, and six and…"
00:51:52: You see it, when you, that's the wrong concept for dance;|dancing is about feeling
00:51:58: not thinking and when they count, they're thinking.
00:52:01: You should feel, become the bass, become the drums, become|the guitars and the strings
00:52:07: and you just become a oneness, you know?
00:52:20: That's very important. That's real.
00:52:23: But, that's Michael Jackson talking as a performer|- I love performing.
00:52:28: But that's not|-I wish I could sleep on stage.
00:52:30: But that's not Michael Jackson the person.
00:52:37: One of the most compelling and revealing lines of question that|Martin Bashir persued
00:52:42: had to do with the strict discipline that Michael and his brothers|endured
00:52:45: at the hands of their father.
00:52:46: Unfortunately, this is footage that Mr. Bashir and his producers|have not allowed us to show you.
00:52:52: But we can tell you, that it was a very emotional description
00:52:56: of beatings with belts and the cords from irons.
00:53:00: You remember when you said to me that you used to want to run|away from your father?
00:53:04: I hated it, I used to hide.
00:53:07: One of the things that I can see this man tried to do he tried to|pin something on me
00:53:14: where I was real brutal and raising these guys,Jermaine and all|the rest of them
00:53:19: they all got whippin's, they didn't get no beatings.
00:53:24: were disciplined in the way that which he knew, during that time
00:53:29: all children and parents of the type, they whipped their kids.
00:53:33: We had to be in before the lights on at night, and we had to|ask for things.
00:53:38: I thought it was great because it allowed us to become what we became,
00:53:43: we never got on drugs, we never got in trouble.
00:53:47: I see the difference for my up-bringing as from when I|came to California,
00:53:51: and friends that I went to go to school with, how they would|curse their parents out
00:53:54: and slam their door and disrespect them.
00:53:57: Joseph didn't beat them or anything like that we just|disciplined them out of love.
00:54:02: The Bible says if you love a child, you will discipline them.
00:54:05: The discussion of the strict discipline and verbal abuse|by Michael's father
00:54:09: went on for about eight minutes in Mr. Bashir's finished special.
00:54:14: What he did not include was a short, but very revealing comment|from Michael about his father.
00:54:22: He just -- I don't think how he - how much he hurt me with his love
00:54:26: but he's a genius, the man is a genius, the same time he was|a genius, he really is.
00:54:32: But Michael, he injured you when you were a child.|- Yeah, but look at what came out of it.
00:54:38: Maybe I wouldn't have the affection for kids that I have|today, and wanting to help them.
00:54:42: When we return, the police investigation that put Michael|on the offensive.
00:54:47: At every opportunity, the media has dissected and manipulated|these allegations
00:54:52: to reach their own conclusions.
00:54:54: And Debbie Rowe finally reaches her limit.
00:54:57: I'm tired of the lies; I'm tired of the bullshit
00:55:01: The devastating disease that Michael claims turned him|porcelain white.
00:55:05: That I was putting on cream to make myself lighter, and that's not|true, I have vitiligo.
00:55:11: And friends of Michael who were forced to leave their home,
00:55:16: all when "..." continues
00:56:05: Without a doubt, one of the most controversial topics of Michael Jackson's
00:56:09: life is his relationship with children.
00:56:12: The scandals and rumors surrounding allegations made against Jackson
00:56:16: are the subject of seemingly speculation.
00:56:19: As we've told you before, Michael Jackson has no editorial|control over the content of this program.
00:56:25: What you see and hear is intended to be an unbiased presentation
00:56:29: that allows you to draw your own conclusion.
00:56:33: Some years ago, you yourself were about to embark on a tour and|allegations were made about you and children.
00:56:42: What about 1993, what happened, what was Michael Jackson doing?|- It's 'cause they don't know me
00:56:48: they don't know. All that was false, I'm a completely innocent guy,
00:56:52: I would never do that. I would slit my wrists before I would|hurt a child.
00:56:55: He would never hurt a child, never, it's not in him.
00:57:00: No way, he would never do anything inappropriate with a child
00:57:08: it's the furthest thing from his mind.
00:57:12: When the allegations came in '93, I think it was
00:57:19: devastating. I mean, talk about going for the jugular
00:57:24: At every opportunity, the media has dissected and manipulated|these allegations
00:57:29: to reach their own conclusions.
00:57:31: I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth before you label|or condemn me.
00:57:36: I watched Michael after they accused him of that child molestation.
00:57:43: At first he was a little lonely and all, but he never stopped
00:57:49: because he knew it wasn't the truth. He never stopped loving children.
00:57:53: Nah, that's what I admire about him, he keeps going, he's|not gonna give up
00:57:58: He's gonna still give to all of us, I just know it.
00:58:02: Bashirs will come and go, but Michael will live forever.
00:58:14: Apparently there's some confusion with sleeping in beds.
00:58:18: My favorite thing to do is to sit in bed and watch TV.
00:58:21: If you're coming over, take your shoes off, get on the bed,|we're watching TV.
00:58:26: Michael was never indicted of anything, never charged, nothing.
00:58:30: Now, they came in his house, right?
00:58:33: They tore this house apart, they went into my mother's space
00:58:36: They tore it up, they went into my mother's hyper-pressure pills.
00:58:43: I mean, just what were they looking for?
00:58:47: They were trying and trying to get some crap on Michael that|was not true.
00:58:51: What hurts you mostly?|- When they lie, the lies, the complete lies.
00:58:58: It hurts me because I know there are children out there who|has to hear that crap.
00:59:04: Why are there people do that when all you've done is brought some of|the most beautiful music
00:59:14: the most beautiful popular music that many of us have ever heard?
00:59:17: Why do people want to judge you if you've done, what you've done|has been an artist?
00:59:25: Cause of the success, people become jealous.
00:59:30: It hurts to be misunderstood, no matter how much you try to|put people on track
00:59:35: there will still be some judgment, and it's sad, so far from|the truth.
00:59:42: Following the broadcast of Mr. Bashir's special, the speculation about what
00:59:46: went on in Jackson's private life was once again headline news.
00:59:50: Primarily due to the story of Gavin, a young man who had reportedly|been dying of cancer.
00:59:56: Gavin was somebody who was diagnosed with cancer.
01:00:00: Doctors gave them, I think, three weeks or one month to live.
01:00:04: One of his last wishes was to meet Michael, a request fulfilled through
01:00:08: Los Angeles business man, Jamie Masada.
01:00:10: Then he said to me, he said under his breath,|"I want to meet Michael Jackson."
01:00:16: At that point, I didn't know Michael Jackson, I just came out of|the room, I start crying
01:00:23: I didn't know what to do.
01:00:24: I called Neverland, I said,|"Is anyway you can get a chance to call the kid?"
01:00:29: Then I come in next day, and I see Gavin have a little smile|on his face.
01:00:33: I said, "Gavin, what's going on?" He said, "Michael call me."
01:00:38: Gavin and his family formed an immediate bond with Jackson,|creating an atmosphere
01:00:42: that many believe played a large role in Gavin's recovery.
01:00:45: You know, two and a half years ago, they said, "Two more weeks,|he's dead." Now he's alive.
01:00:52: His appearance on the Bashir special showed a seemingly happy|and healthy young man,
01:00:56: clearly, very fond of Jackson.
01:00:59: While Mr. Bashir did touch on Gavin's amazing recovery, many believed
01:01:03: that the real focus was on Michael's relationship with the young man
01:01:07: especially the revelation that they had spent the night in|the same room.
01:01:11: The thing that is upset me right now reason why I'm giving you|this interview
01:01:15: is because Gavin call me, he was crying on the phone.
01:01:18: He went in gas station, the kid in gas station, they start kidding,
01:01:22: "Oh you are the kid who doing this with Michael.|You slept with Michael."
01:01:25: It's horrible to do to a kid. This kid been through horrible life,|been through horrible life so far.
01:01:31: Since Mr. Bashir's documentary aired, Gavin and his mother have gone into
01:01:36: seclusion after being bombarded by requests for interviews from|tabloids around the world.
01:01:43: This statement released to the press by Gavin's mother says,
01:01:47: "I am appalled at the way my son has been exploited by Martin Bashir.
01:01:51: The relationship that Michael has with my three children|is a beautiful,
01:01:55: loving, father, sons, and daughter one.
01:01:58: To my children and me, Michael is part of our family."
01:02:01: In addition, she is considering action against Mr. Bashir for|including Gavin
01:02:05: in his special without parental consent.
01:02:10: I can only take the lies for so long and I've reached my limit
01:02:16: and that's why I'm doing this.
01:02:18: I'm not here to defend my boss; I'm here to tell the truth.
01:02:24: I didn't really know how you behaved with the people who come to the
01:02:30: ranch and who come to your home, I hadn't seen it.
01:02:36: You were the most generous person,
01:02:41: but I looked around here yesterday, and some of the people|really appreciated it,
01:02:47: but others were greedy, others couldn't help themselves.|Do you sometimes despair of human nature?
01:02:59: Yes.
01:03:01: One of the topics repeatedly brought up in Martin Bashir's|interviews is
01:03:05: the same one that has been the subject of speculation by countless|tabloids, talk shows,
01:03:09: and comic monologues for over 20 years:|Michael Jackson's changing appearance.
01:03:17: Having surgery or changes or whatever, cosmetic surgery, or|anything like that.
01:03:23: People have that sort of thing in this country all the time.
01:03:26: All the time.|-People go on a weekly basis to have things changed.
01:03:31: All the time, and most celebrities, most movie stars.|-So why is it such an issue that you do that?
01:03:39: The fact that they say that I've had
01:03:44: Like I'm overly obsessed with it, it's not true, that's not
01:03:48: The things they said are not true. I haven't had my eyes done,|I haven't had my cheekbones done,
01:03:54: I haven't had my lips done, I haven't had my chin done. That's a lie,|they just go too far.
01:04:01: In the final interview, eight months later, Martin Bashir is still
01:04:04: doubled pursuing rumors of Michael's plastic surgery.
01:04:07: I look fine?|- You look fine! I'm the one who looks stinky.
01:04:11: That's nice, Michael.|-But you don't look stinky.
01:04:13: An area of his life, he feels Michael had been less than honest about.
01:04:18: You know, you've physically changed, haven't you? The photographs|of you if I look at them
01:04:22: No, it's called adolescence, it's called growing and changing.
01:04:26: Yeah, but even the shape of your face has changed.|- No, it has not
01:04:29: I had no plastic surgery on my face, just my nose. It helped me|breathe better
01:04:35: so I could hit higher notes and help clear up. The press, it's like,|they add up all this stuff,
01:04:40: nothing put there in my eyes, cheekbones, chin, nothing, they made|it all up.
01:04:45: Do you think that people do go too far with plastic surgery,|generally?
01:04:50: Well it's for them.|- So why are you so defensive when people say like,
01:04:53: "Mick Jagger's had one, Paul McCartney may have had one.|Oh, Michael Jackson's had one!"
01:04:57: They don't do it that way.|- What are they do it?
01:04:59: They just pick on me like I'm the only one that does it. That's why.
01:05:02: So if people said, "Well, actually Michael's the same as|everyone else,"
01:05:07: then it wouldn't upset you so much?|- Yeah. It wouldn't upset me so much.
01:05:10: I mean, if you want to have a facelift, you have a facelift.|- Yeah, if it makes you happy.
01:05:13: Regardless of your opinion about the extent of Michael's|plastic surgery,
01:05:17: one fact is clear, Martin Bashir's TV special made only|passing reference
01:05:22: to one of the most noticeable differences in Michael's appearance.
01:05:26: Bashir was quoted as saying, "When Michael Jackson was a boy,|he was a black kid.
01:05:31: Now as an adult, he looks like a white man."
01:05:35: Which was a rumor; they said I was putting on cream to make|myself lighter.
01:05:39: That's not true, I have vitiligo.|- You have a condition.
01:05:43: Vitiligo is a medical condition that Jackson claims has afflicted|him for more than 20 years.
01:05:47: This disfiguring skin disease affects nearly 2% of the world's|population and strips
01:05:52: all pigmentation from the skin. The result is not just pale,|but porcelain white.
01:05:57: In the beginning, when the vitiligo happened, started happening|relatively early.
01:06:02: He even was trying to hide it from me. He tried to hide it for|quite a while.
01:06:09: You know, always trying to cover it with makeup, even out his|skin tone.
01:06:12: Until, it just got so extensive, I mean it's all over his body.
01:06:18: We were always trying to hide it and cover it for the longest|time until, he just had to tell Oprah
01:06:25: and tell the world, "Listen, I'm not trying to be white,|I have a skin disease."
01:06:31: The loss of pigment exposes vitiligo sufferers to great risk of|skin cancer,
01:06:36: requiring constant shade from the sun and thick makeup or sun block|to lessen the exposure.
01:06:41: You know, in the beginning, I tried to cover the light spots|to the darkest part of his skin,
01:06:46: but then it became so extensive that we had to go with the lighter|part of the skin,
01:06:52: 'cause his whole body was reacting. He would have to be in full|body makeup, every inch of his body.
01:07:00: It was easier to make the transition to him being to the lighter|shade that he is.
01:07:06: For Michael, one of the most painful side-affects of vitiligo is|the reminder of the earlier
01:07:13: skin trauma that humiliated him as a child.
01:07:18: You talked about, how when you went through adolescence,|you had a terrible time.
01:07:25: In fact, I had a look at some pictures of you during that period,|and you did have a lot of spots.
01:07:32: Yeah, yeah.
01:07:37: Being shy about it, I am and was, but even worse then.
01:07:41: Terribly embarrassed, it's like a disease.
01:07:44: Perhaps the most startling omission regarding Michael's history|with plastic surgery,
01:07:48: came during a discussion of the procedures that Michael|admits to having.
01:07:53: You're saying you've only had one piece of surgery on your nose?|- Two.
01:07:59: You've had two?|- As I can remember.
01:08:02: This is where the TV show stops, but had they included Michael's|answer from just 10 seconds earlier,
01:08:08: they would have allowed him to remind us of a serious injury that|severely affected his appearance.
01:08:14: No, no, no. I was severely burned.|- Yeah, but apart from having that surgery because of obviously
01:08:20: injury from the fire.
01:08:24: January 27th, 1984, Michael was shooting a commercial that|attempted to duplicate a concert performance.
01:08:38: During the last take, a planned pyrotechnic explosion went wrong|and ignited Michael's hair on fire.
01:08:49: He was so badly burnt on the top of - He was - His whole|top of the head caught on fire,
01:08:54: right in front of my eyes. I couldn't do anything about it,|I couldn't get to him on time.
01:09:09: Miko, Marlon Brando's son, was able to push away the barricades|and jump on him,
01:09:15: and put out the fire with his bare hands.
01:09:18: He will have nursing and medical personnel on call 24 hours a day.
01:09:23: Due to his very excellent health and his very strong personal|and religious commitments,
01:09:27: he will have as excellent of a recovery as is possible.
01:09:31: Michael was rushed to the hospital, where he was treated|for second and third degree burns.
01:09:36: He later underwent skin graph surgery in an attempt to repair|the damage.
01:09:41: But as we noted, as severe as this incident was, it was completely|ignored by Bashir.
01:09:47: You did nothing to your cheeks?|- Uh, no, no! These cheek bones?
01:09:53: Yeah.|- No!
01:09:54: You haven't had any inserts.|- No.
01:09:57: My father had
01:09:59: What about your eaten food|- I would be idiot if I had
01:10:01: Can we get on with this plastic surgery garbage? This is tabloid stuff.
01:10:04: You are beyond this, you're a respected journalist.|- I know, the problem is
01:10:10: When we return, we'll take a look at some of the answers that|were never heard.
01:10:15: They call me weird overnight, strange, whacko, you know,
01:10:20: they said I'm a girl, homosexual, "He wants to buy the Elephant|Man's Bones",
01:10:27: "He sleeps in a hyperbaric chamber." None of that stuff is true!
01:10:30: And some of the differences in opinion.
01:10:33: So you're happy you did it now?|- Yeah because I shared
01:10:35: Even though you've been attacked
01:10:37: people in America say you shouldn't look after the children?|- They're wrong, they're wrong.
01:10:40: A lot of people said, "Leave him alone, shut the hell up."|A lot of people.
01:10:47: All caught on Michael Jackson's own camera.
01:10:56: When we return to
01:11:35: One of the basic qualities of respected journalism is objectivity.
01:11:39: As you may have heard in several recent news stories| one of Michael Jackson's prime
01:11:42: complaints about the reporting featured in Martin Bashir's|documentary and subsequent interviews
01:11:47: was his lack of objectivity. As we've already seen, some of|Mr. Bashir's comments
01:11:54: that made the air appeared to be quite different than opinions he|expressed in
01:11:58: Jackson's behind the scenes footage.
01:12:01: About Michael's ranch? Mr. Bashir's on-air comment was,
01:12:15: But what he said behind the scenes was this,
01:12:27: This comment about Michael's method of raising children was|included on Bashir's special,
01:12:40: But this was not,
01:12:45: I love them.
01:12:50: Another of Jackson's complaints about the document is the|non-inclusion of certain statements
01:12:56: that he feels are pertinent to objective reporting. Like when Bashir|devoted almost eight minutes
01:13:02: to the abuse by Michael's father.
01:13:04: You remember when you said to me that you used to want to run away|from your father?
01:13:07: I hated it, I used to hide.
01:13:10: But did not include this short and revealing comment.
01:13:13: He hurt me with his love, but he's a genius, the man is a genius,
01:13:18: On Michael's taking his children to the zoo, Bashir says,
01:13:28: What you don't hear is Michael's response.
01:13:31: I go to the zoo all the time and I go usually when they close it down.
01:13:36: They told us that this would be closed down.
01:13:39: And as far as probing for the truth about Michael's changing|appearance,
01:13:43: the subject about vitiligo was virtually ignored.
01:13:47: And the severe burns, the reconstructive surgery, were never|mentioned at all.
01:13:53: Can we get on with this plastic surgery garbage? This is tabloid|stuff. You are beyond this.
01:13:58: Regardless of whether you feel that Michael Jackson is correct|in his assertion
01:14:03: that Martin Bashir's documentary was not a true representation|of the interviews
01:14:06: that actually took place, there is one question that many people share.
01:14:11: How could Michael Jackson, a 44-year-old man, who has spent most|of his life in
01:14:16: the spotlight, have allowed himself to open up to a virtual stranger?
01:14:20: This footage from Michael's camera may give you a better understanding.
01:14:30: It seems to me that through history, people they really want to| make someone big
01:14:37: and they want to be, "Oh this person is so talented, and we have|to make them godlike,
01:14:41: and they have to be perfect." Then as soon as they're there, they get|more joy in tearing someone down.
01:14:59: That whole special was just an attempt to tear him apart and he|trusted Martin Bashir.
01:15:11: They took this thing back to the studio and they took a lot of|things out.
01:15:16: The way this thing was narrated was just not fair.
01:15:22: have you and I spent the last eight months never hearing that?
01:15:29: I don't know, you tell me. I'm always continuously
01:15:35: They want to make you act as if you're crazy.
01:15:37: And then slowly he started bringing in his own opinion into|the picture.
01:15:42: As a reporter, as news, I like to see the truth, then I'll decide|what my take would be on it.
01:15:52: Oh my gosh, yeah.|- It's not just you though, you can see that.
01:15:56: Bashir's will come and go, but Michael will live forever,|in everybody's hearts.
01:16:12: If indeed this video or whatever it was that was shot, is supposed|to be about Michael,
01:16:20: then it will show him as a caring, loving, understanding, father,
01:16:28: person, human being,
01:16:32: because that's what he is.
01:16:34: matter what you may feel about what you've seen on this program,|it's hard to deny,
01:16:39: that Michael Jackson is a complex and controversial subject who elicits a passionate
01:16:44: response from virtually everyone who comes in contact with him,|whether through
01:16:48: his music or through his private life.
01:16:51: In the past two hours, our only goal has been to present an objective
01:16:55: view of events showing them as they actually occurred, and allowing|you to draw your own conclusion.
01:17:01: But we do feel it's appropriate to leave you with one more piece of|information. Mr. Bashir is quoted as saying.
01:17:16: This comes from an interview dated just a few days ago.
01:17:20: Thanks for joining us everyone, I'm Maury Povich, good night.
01:17:30: Do you sometimes despair of human nature?
01:17:36: Yes.
01:17:40: Yes, of course.|- I mean, can you ever do anything that's right?
01:17:45: No, no, no, no, no.
01:17:49: No matter what you do, there's always somebody that will say|something about it. They have their
01:17:54: They're opinionated, you know? No matter what you do.
01:17:58: No matter how good your intentions are, there's always some jerk,
01:18:04: some mean spirited person trying to bring you down.
01:18:09: All you wanted to do was bring some love and some joy, that's all.
01:18:18: Grenada who made "Living With Michael Jackson" program originally|broadcast on ATV
01:18:23: maintain that it was not fair and balanced portrait of|Michael Jackson and stands by it.